I wanted to take a moment to address some rumors that have been circulating involving the corporate media lying about Jill Stein’s poll numbers.
There is actually a way that you can check polling numbers against donations, that are declared by the candidate, in order to see how accurate the poll numbers are.
It is no wonder that so many distrust corporate media, after the way they manipulated information in favor of Hillary Clinton in her race against Bernie Sanders.
By and large corporate media are not to be trusted, but when it comes to polling, they are historically quite accurate and in the case of Jill Stein, because she doesn’t accept money from corporations, you can actually gauge her popularity by looking at her donations, much in the same way you could with Bernie Sanders.
First, we need to establish that the magic number is 5%.
5% of the vote is what is needed for the Green Party to receive federal funding in the 2020 Presidential election cycle.
This would mean that the Green Party would receive somewhere between $10-$20 million, in the next cycle, which would give them a huge advantage in their attempts to compete with the two corporate parties.
Now that we recognize how incredibly important it is to vote for Jill Stein in this election, let’s see where she actually stands currently.
In 2012 Jill Stein ran for President and received just shy of 1% of the vote and raised just shy of $1 million dollars.
We see in the above Open Secrets chart that Jill has raised nearly twice that in her current Presidential run.
As Jill’s donations tend to run fairly commiserate with her poll numbers we can extrapolate that for every million dollars that Stein’s campaign raises her poll numbers will go up one point.
So if Jill Stein raised $1,000,000 in 2012 and was at 1%, then Jill Stein would be at 2% currently, because she has raised approximately $2,000,000 in this cycle.
But don’t despair, a recent upsurge in Stein donations shows her to be at nearly $3,000,000 at present day (this article was written on October 9) so Jill Stein should be polling at around 3%.
Corporate media polling shows her at 4%.
So the formula holds up.
Let’s remember, the ALL IMPORTANT number is 5%.
Without that, she will not get federal funding in the next election.
Although I submit that corporate media is not to be trusted, in this case, it is the people who tell you that Stein is really polling competitively, who are actually causing the most damage to her campaign.
If people believe that Stein is polling at higher rankings then she actually is, then they will be less likely to phone-bank and canvass for her.
If people are expecting Stein to actually win the Presidential election and then on November 8 they see that she only pulls a small percentage of the vote, they are likely to think that the voting was rigged and that there is no point to continuing on with politics.
They will walk away with a bad taste in their mouth and that would be extremely unfortunate to lose Progressives to apathy.
It is much better to know where we actually stand and be able to take massive action.
Right now is a very important time for the Green Party going forward.
There is only one month left before election day and if all Stein supporters can get out and knock on some doors, then the Green Party will hit the 5% and qualify for federal funding during the next cycle.
The next time someone tells you that corporate media is lying about Jill’s polling numbers, simply go and look at the financial data that HER CAMPAIGN has supplied and you will have a pretty good gauge of where she is at.
If you are anything like me, your radical leftist politics have left you in a social media echo-chamber.
This happens to people who are outspoken about their political views.
Those who disagree often are afraid to speak up, so they stop following you or just remain silent.
Echo-chambers can be extremely dangerous impediments to rational, logical thinking.
For example, if you see hundreds, or even thousands of Stein supporters every day in your Facebook feed, you may get the idea that Jill Stein is actually winning the election.
Yet, if you walked out your front door, you could probably walk for hundreds of miles in any direction and never see a Jill Stein sign or bumper-sticker.
It’s hard to know what reality is, when we are so able to create any reality we want in our smartphones and laptops, simply by finding thousands of others who agree with us.
Six months ago Bernie Sanders dominated my Facebook feed and when I walked out my front door and drove to work, I would see Sanders signs and stickers everywhere I went.
It was clear to me that my reality extended past my echo-chamber.
In fact, Sanders raised $238 million dollars from individual, non-corporate donors and had an incredibly active team of volunteers.
It is safe to say that Sanders volunteers literally called every phone in America and knocked on every single door.
When you compare $238,000,000 to $3,000,000, you see the incredible uphill battle that the Green Party has ahead of it, so don’t be fooled by people telling you that the work is already done and that Jill is actually polling higher.
She is not.
Take a drive.
Jill Stein is a virtual unknown outside of leftist political circles.
If you want to change that, you will need to get out and go share Jill’s awesome platform with others.
Simply yelling into your own echo-chamber will not help her.
Before we wrap this up, let’s talk about writing in Bernie Sanders and how this affects Jill Stein.
In full-disclosure, I am part of a movement to write-in Bernie Sanders in Vermont.
I am NOT part of any other write-in Sanders movements, but I do not actively oppose them either.
There were many reasons why we targeted Vermont with our movement, but chief among them, is that we wanted to be careful not to pull any Jill Stein supporters away from her, because it is important to all of us that Jill Stein achieve the 5% funding goal.
Vermont is a state of traditional Democrats and there is almost no Green Party movement there in their tiny state.
We felt that we could set a historical precedent and honor Bernie Sanders without hurting Jill’s campaign if we targeted Vermont exclusively.
In fact, I have continued to canvass for Stein here in Indiana, while organizing the Vermont Write-In project remotely and our canvassers in Vermont are nearly all Jill Stein volunteers.
You can imagine how shocked we were to hear the unsubstantiated rumor that our movement was actually working for Hillary Clinton in a covert capacity.
The rumor, which I am actually embarrassed to even be addressing, due to its ludicrous nature, stated that we were attempting to get Jill Stein supporters to write-in Bernie Sanders, in an attempt to “steal votes” from Jill Stein.
There are so many logical holes in this rumor, that it makes me sad that anyone would fall for it.
First and foremost, you cannot sway a Jill Stein supporter.
They are absolute diehards for their candidate, so the idea that you can trick them into voting for ANYONE but Jill Stein is absurd.
Secondly, the rumor really underestimates the intelligence of Stein supporters.
You actually think that there is some sort of strategy that would make her supporters “throw their vote away”?
I find it very insulting that the people who spread this rumor, think that Stein supporters are so intellectually bankrupt that some slick speech by an “undercover Clinton operative” could trick them into changing their vote.
While it is true that Clinton did use Correct the Record hired trolls to attempt to sway Sanders supporters during the primaries, she has no such motivation to do so against Jill Stein, for the simple fact that Stein is not a threat to her candidacy.
Use your logic.
Don’t turn into the leftist Tea Party.
Don’t fall victim to paranoid propaganda.
Think about it.
If you were Clinton, your ultimate outcome would be to get people to vote for you.
Your secondary goal would be to get people to NOT vote for Donald Trump, who actually stands a chance of defeating you.
Every vote for Jill Stein, Bernie Sanders or Gary Johnson is a push, meaning it neither helps nor hurts Clinton’s chances.
The one thing that Clinton was really afraid of was that a bunch of angry leftist were going to vote for Donald Trump, just to keep her out of the White House.
That didn’t happen and now she is going to win and whether you cast your vote for Stein, Sanders, Johnson or Mickey Mouse, it will have zero effect on that outcome.
So you are free to vote your conscience.
If you like Jill Stein, you should definitely vote for her.
She really needs your support to get federal funding.
But if you don’t like any of the candidates, feel free to “throw your vote away” and write-in Sanders.
Your Presidential vote will be hand counted and then thrown out (unless you are in Vermont, New Jersey, Alabama, New Hampshire, Oregon, Wyoming, Delaware or Iowa. In those states it will be counted.) and your down-ballot will be recorded and counted.
There is some misinformation going around that they would throw your entire ballot out if you wrote in a Presidential candidate.
That is simply not true.
They count everything except the write-in vote.
Be skeptical of all claims.
It is very easy to tell people what they want to hear and hope that they never figure out the truth.
It is very easy to play on people’s fears and mislead them.
I hope you will take everything with great skepticism and do your own research on ALL matters.
We have a unique opportunity to take America back from the establishment by sticking together and fighting for truth.
Don’t let anyone mislead you.
We are all on the same team here.
11 thoughts on “What Are Jill Stein’s ACTUAL Poll Numbers?”
This doesn’t make me happy (Bernie would make me happy!). It does offer a future-oriented perspective on voting Jill Stein that I find helpful. Thanks! I’ve shared around…
On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 1:40 PM, theindependentthinker2016 wrote:
> The Independent Thinker posted: ” I wanted to take a moment to address > some rumors that have been circulating involving the corporate media lying > about Jill Stein’s poll numbers. There is actually a way that you can check > polling numbers against donations, that are declared by the cand” >
5% is mission impossible for Stein. Here’s why. https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2016/09/21/jill-steins-impossible-quest-for-5-of-the-popular-vote/
IMO your article or intel. or inner circle guidance is misleading you, or you know better and/or you are being miss leading. Don’t fear. I do love the mind free to make thoughts critical and ‘we the people’. To never surrender one’s own personal power to that which can become the source of one feeling powerless in both head and heart. There’s no shame, or instigation of infighting, or divide and conquer here, if you honestly did not know the write-in laws, or if my understanding is not federal, but I think it is, Being wrong is only a moment in time to see. Denial can last till time itself breaks. If you’re innocence is true here, you just wasted voters’ time and your mission. Why? Because my write-in research leads to you not informing voters about writing in Bernie’s name on any ballot. “Bernard” or a busted ballot. Why would you omit that here? Why would any leader of such a profound cause, with such a high % of possible failure even if it succeeds? Your best bet is for Benrie (Sorry “Bernard”) to stand up to the immediate priority of pressing election fraud charges. Why do you think this (VT’s 3 Votes – Not explained here) would work? Even if Bernie is so terrorized by the criminal voting system, and he himself fears he cannot even endorse you. It hurts to live in this time of both hope and the Constitution being raped, that much is true. It is a heartbreaking as the whole tide of truths that come now as we are living in the fail of democracy. Jill Stein can win in a “Voters Revolt / Video your Ballot” landslide, or America is a pile of walking dead voters, choosing between two corporate slavers and political psychopaths. And that is not just my opinion, it is that of 80% 0f the voting population. 50% + independent. and 75% of Clinton’s (AKA Anti-Trump only) Voters (Voting for FEAR). And 75% of Trump’s (AKA anti-Hillary) Voters. (Voting to HATE) (Good Night and Good luck) I hope this helps you and you hear it expressing care over the loss felt from Hillary’s election fraud crimes, and the powers that made Bernie mute. I’ve been a registered Green for some time. and so … I’m not voting for the Borg.
Anyone who is voting for Donald or Hillary will destroy our counrty.
So over 80% of the country?
The day that Bernie Sanders officially endorsed Hillary Clinton, was the day that support for Jill Stein shot up over 1,000%. Amazing that anyone could translate that as being “unrealistic” for Jill Stein to win.
Keep in mind that despite Sanders’ landslide win in the DNC, the corporate media promoted Hillary Clinton’s election fraud as a legitimate win, which Sanders unfortunately still appears to be in agreement with. But now this same media is desperately trying to obscure the fact Jill Stein is indeed, winning in the polls by quite the landslide:
Jill Stein won’t win
Jill Stein is polling at 2% according to the current real clear politics average, and she has never been over 5%. Please refrain from spreading a bunch of lies on the internet.
This may be tangential, maybe not, but possible that many others such as I were rabid Bernie supporters who are going Green, but we are tapped out, so no donation and no poll correlation….surprise votes? 5% can be very possible. Prior correlation was from prior Independent base. Jill has many disaffected Democrats voting for her, but perhaps not donating.
Not sure where all this is coming from – I have heard Jill Stein HERSELF actually state that the poll numbers being reported by corporate owned main stream media are skewed and that they don’t ACCURATELY represent the demographics of Independent voters – the largest voter demographic even when compared to the DEM/GOP shares combined. She has also stated HERSELF that if the MSM pollsters were to take an accurate measurement of INDIE and minority voters that she would be polling much higher than the paltry 3-4% than they put her at nationally. So you may want to check your info/sources before casting dispersion’s with non-vetted news sources…
So your impossible goal of perfection, took away our chance of tolerable, now we have Satan in charge. Nice going.